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I was wondering: someone is a recovering painkiller addict. They've been clean for a while and they go to Narcotics Anonymous meetings. Would they also tend to stay away from other addictive substances, even those that they've never had a problem with? Specifically, would they not have an alcoholic drink in a pub with friends?

Date: 2010-05-23 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wanttobeatree.livejournal.com
I'd say likely not. Addictive personalities and all that. But then again, I have no experience with addicts of any kind, so I could be wrong!

(And when I say likely not, I mean likely they wouldn't have a drink in a pub etc., not they likely wouldn't stay away from other addictive substances.)
Edited Date: 2010-05-23 04:18 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-05-23 04:22 pm (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
*nodnods* Makes sense.

In canon, it's implied that it's more that he became addicted because he was forcibly injected several times with highly-addictive painkillers (he was kidnapped), rather than because he has a particularly addictive personality.

SO BASICALLY I DUNNO. *throws up hands*

Date: 2010-05-23 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wanttobeatree.livejournal.com
HMMM. That's a tricky one. I think I have read/heard somewhere that once you experience one addiction, it can be easier to develop another? BUT I MIGHT BE MAKING THAT UP.

Date: 2010-05-23 04:37 pm (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
Hmm. That sounds plausible, at least.

OH CRIMINAL MINDS, WHY YOU SO FUCKED UP.

Date: 2010-05-24 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] culf.livejournal.com
I see someone stole the plot of a Starsky and Hutch episode. Except Hutch was injected with heroin, not painkillers.

In Starsky and Hutch, Hutch would still have drinks later on, but they didn't really have story arches back then. They did reference his experience in a later episode, though, which is very rare for them to do, so they did remember it, and still let him drink.
I don't really know how it works in real life, however.

Date: 2010-05-25 12:00 am (UTC)
ext_8734: (Jack Harkness loves hot lesbian sex.)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
Awwwww, adorable slashy icon!

...I'm sorry, you were saying words? ;)

Date: 2010-05-25 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] culf.livejournal.com
I will always maintain that nothing is as gay as Starsky and Hutch, not even John Barrowman. The episode where Hutch gets addicted to heroin in particular. Starsky is with him when he's detoxing, holding him close, stroking his face while Hutch tries to get even closer than is possible. On top of a double bed.

Date: 2010-05-25 12:15 am (UTC)
ext_8734: (Jack Harkness loves hot lesbian sex.)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
Awwwwwwwww.

Date: 2010-05-23 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dawning-star.livejournal.com
Ideally, he/she wouldn't drink. A drug is a drug is a drug, no matter the form it comes in, and NA includes in their meeting readings a little blurb that says "Alcohol is a drug - period."

Some still look on alcohol as being separate or different which would easily lead to a relapse. Conversely, some alcoholics won't look on, say, taking painkillers as an addiction because their problems are just with alcohol. The disease is a tricky thing.
Edited Date: 2010-05-23 04:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-05-23 04:33 pm (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
*nods* Thanks.

In the canon, he becomes addicted by having the painkillers forcibly injected several times by the person holding him hostage - rather than, say, because he has an addictive-type personality. Would this affect things, do you think?

Date: 2010-05-23 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dawning-star.livejournal.com
I'd say that once the threshold has been crossed into addiction, whether or not the personality is present is moot. At bare minimum it'd be like having a choice between swallowing cyanide or playing Russian Roulette. Either way, the odds are stacked against you.

Best way I ever heard it described was by an old-timer at an AA meeting: "If you take a cucumber, put it in vinegar, and leave it there long enough, it becomes a pickle. That pickle will never be a cucumber again."

Hope that helps. :)

Date: 2010-05-23 04:45 pm (UTC)
ext_8734: (Jack Harkness loves hot lesbian sex.)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
It really does, so thanks a lot. <3

It's a character I'm planning to put into [livejournal.com profile] mixed_muses tonight, so knowing whether or not he'd have a drink was important. Ta!

Date: 2010-05-23 06:03 pm (UTC)
tablesaw: -- (Default)
From: [personal profile] tablesaw
On the other hand, that character (who is pretty easy to guess now) never really seemed like a person to attracted to alcohol, and is probably more likely to avoid it to avoid any possible risk of relapse.

Date: 2010-05-23 06:47 pm (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
Yeah, I mostly just didn't bother to name names because a sizeable percentage of my flist hasn't seen Criminal Minds, so it seemed pointless. Poor Reid. ._.

And yeeeah. I just know sod-all about addictions more serious than smoking, so I didn't know if drinking booze could relate to having a relapse if the original addiction wasn't booze. Before all that, though, I could see him maybe having one drink to be sociable (and probably getting ID'd multiple times, because he really does look about fourteen).

(Also, drunk!Reid - in the right company - would be funny. But anyway.)!

Date: 2010-05-23 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com
Unrelatedly, there is a thing (http://isaysimplewords.livejournal.com/8471.html) that may be relevant to your interests, currently filtered to Sam's journal.

(I took the liberty of writing some stuff for Sam in the body of the post, but obviously you get final say on that.)

Date: 2010-05-23 05:47 pm (UTC)
ext_8734: (Jack Harkness loves hot lesbian sex.)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
:D!

*pets Cal* All looks fine to me!

Date: 2010-05-23 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com
:D Excellent.

Date: 2010-05-23 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigfluffball.livejournal.com
We had a lecture from NA once - pretty sure it coincides with what Ali said - if they were sticking to NA they'd stay clear of them all.

However, I think if someone is addicted to one thing they are more likely to be attracted to other addictive substances, so if you wanted to use a character that way you could probably justify relapse.

You could always have them have soft drinks?

Date: 2010-05-23 07:04 pm (UTC)
ext_8734: (Donna = more awesome than you'll ever be)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
Well, yeah, soft drinks would be the alternative. It's for a character I'm putting into Mixed Muses - and am also plotting fic for - so I wanted to know if alcoholic drinks were an option for him, that's all.

Date: 2010-05-23 07:14 pm (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
But yeah, no relapsing. He angsts more than enough without that, and I prefer my characters relatively angst-free.

Date: 2010-05-24 12:14 am (UTC)
ashen_key: ([N] shades of brown and gold)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
Speaking as someone who DOES have an addictive personality...that personality is a large reason why I don't drink. So, I'd find it reasonable that Reid - no matter WHY he was addicited - to avoid things that are addictive.

Date: 2010-05-24 01:59 am (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
*nodnod*

And the more I think about it, the more I suspect Reid didn't drink, or at least didn't drink often, even before the kidnapping. I mean look at him - he must have the alcohol tolerance of a kitten!

...No, no, no, I am not allowed to have Reid somehow turned into a kitten. However cute it would be. BAD plotbunny.

Date: 2010-05-24 02:10 am (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
(Also: psst, you owe me comment. ^_~)

Date: 2010-05-24 03:36 am (UTC)
ashen_key: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
(I KNOW :P Geeeetting there!

'Sides, I think you owe me Sam!comment, too)

Date: 2010-05-25 12:11 am (UTC)
ashen_key: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
(*eyes MM* wait, where do I owe you a comment?)

Date: 2010-05-25 12:16 am (UTC)
ext_8734: (Donna = more awesome than you'll ever be)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
(Criminal Minds minific in this journal. <3)

Date: 2010-05-25 12:16 am (UTC)
ashen_key: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
OH. GOTCHA.

Date: 2010-05-25 12:17 am (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
*blows kiss*

Also, I need to talk to you before tagging Sam/Meda. I'll log onto AIM in a couple of minutes, just need to finish some stuff off first.

Date: 2010-05-25 12:19 am (UTC)
ashen_key: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
I'm off to work in a couple mins! sadly.

Date: 2010-05-25 12:20 am (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
D:

Will you be around tomorrow night?

Date: 2010-05-25 12:21 am (UTC)
ashen_key: ([STXI] and the minutes keep on skipping)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
Aim to be!

*pause*

Uh, as my social anxiety is kicking my arse lately, nothing bad?

Date: 2010-05-25 12:22 am (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
Naaaah, nothing bad. I just want to check some things before my next tag, that's all.

*cwtches*

Date: 2010-05-25 12:23 am (UTC)
ashen_key: (I'm afraid that book is missing)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
Oh, good *embarrassed* I haaaaate anxiety.

*snugs*

Date: 2010-05-25 12:25 am (UTC)
ext_8734: (Jack Harkness loves hot lesbian sex.)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
It's cool! <333

PS - Icon love.

Date: 2010-05-25 12:26 am (UTC)
ashen_key: (dragons ate my homework)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
I forget where I found them, but there is a whole bunch. They are brilliant.

Date: 2010-05-24 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plum177.livejournal.com
Since we're talking about Reid, although I don't think it's stated in canon, I'm not sure he would drink again in the aftermath of the dilaudid addiction.

He's smart, he knows all the statistics and he'd be sensible enough and probably scared enough by the prospect not to take the risk of developing another addiction by degrees. Also I think Penny would get all of this and help him along. If ever there was anyone who could have masses of fun without the aid of any alcohol whatsoever, it's Penelope Garcia. :D

Of course I have nothing practical to back any of this up, but it makes sense in my head. Hope it helps. :) I might try and keep an eye out for dear Spencer, I haven't done any RPing in ages. I miss it.

Date: 2010-05-24 01:43 am (UTC)
ext_8734: (Toshiko Sato is cute as a bloody button)
From: [identity profile] bethan-b-bad.livejournal.com
Yeah, the more I think about it, I can't see Reid drinking very much even before the addiction.

You should come back! I am in crackchat at this very moment.

And speaking of Reid, did you see my WAAAAUGH MUST FIX IT!tinyReid ficlet from a post or two ago?

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